hangout 131211

ward : importing wiki subtopics from into a wikifarm with subsites

topic area : extraction of wiki.

ryan : NDN and conventional farms combined. forking unlimited.

andrew : wiki scholar. wikipedia and museums. classrooms. into the curriculum.

news + journalism

museums (smithsonian) + ...

"the cloud"

before > persona non grata : weird, amateur > now > world class institutions, make editors understand open content, collaboration, crowd.

wikimedia. the spirit changed in the last 2, 3 years. british museum in 2010 invited wikipedia to have a residency.

wikipedia podcast guys used to connect to some kind of top notch institutions.

residency : what is it about? how to get better content?

and backwards : better photos, content, etc.

museums : monkey see, monkey do.

after the british museums others joined up.

in 2005 german chapter was already talking to university and government institutions.

in the english spoken world the scepticism was higher.

ward : c2 preservation. make it alive again.

how to put wikipedia in a museum? how to put a museum into wikipedia?

> computer history museum?

jeff : joined to keep up with c2. it was the door into being a professional programmer. active with silicon valley pattern school.

ward : federated wiki is slower motion than the original. but hopefully more naturally accumulates fantastic content.

donald : works with original content of wikis.

jon : authentication for several wiki farms, not breaking the federation, still on different UIs

ward : federated wiki lossy converters > github, rdoc, trello

ward : wikiclient to have enough plugins

ryan : details about plugins that are been loaded by emit and bind. dynamic loader/AMD.

ward : in contrast to the core codebase where initial plugins are loaded. like the recent changes plugin. ...

ryan : experimental/experimental > extract data from plugin from journal > adressable objects in NDN. replacement for drag and drop factory. if not image file type : read mimetype > transmit BLOB. also being able to see inline your own version. "inline diff"

ward : we keep up forking. but we don't keep forked paragraphs. images dropped in NDN is excellent. we need an assett manager. the assets can travel server to server and don't have to go through the clients.

tom : universal health : semantic web data model for healtcare. nomenclature and taxonomies. using the wiki as repository for calling nomenclatures. including spell checker. community curature instead of a community.

ward : there is this bioinformatics guy. working on similiar things for 10 years. with a funding.

tom : Gutenberg, Genomics, and the Literacy/Literature Spiral why are we printing all these books? we can't read them anyway.

ward + ... : genome.js. brought computers 30yrs ago into healtcare administration.

working with regulatory, hierarchical, top-down thinkers. but we're harvesting information from every corner.

ward : do you andrew lee? he wrote a book about how wikipedia works.

andrew : teaching classes "what is public knowledge in the age of crowdsourcing?". journalism is not just journalism. history is not just history. there's an interesting interplay between those areas. to formulate how to describe this new landscape. who determines history. how does the crowd change the landscape of these topics.

ward : tom talking about conservative organizations. how they come to understand how the crowd - crowd is the wrong word, because it's an elite and more elite community - formulates knowledge. the interconnected world changes things.

tom : in medicine it changes. you go to the hospital for a shot. now you have self-medication through local control. microlevel of healtcare of p2p, open, self-efficacy. at a broader level : teeth and throat? how to deal with the associations to receive actual data from own systems. we need a universal n-square, n-tubes? it appears that an alternative structure is very attractive. many people will like it, but there will remain scepticistim. but rethinking the fundamentel level of resilience, health, etc.

ryan : xkcd comic

design of evolutionary systems : you start simple and it evolves over time. an evolutionary fitness system. n-path is the way to draw the evolution of a wiki. we need anchor points and standardized interfaces. and a universal namespace like the URL / global identifier to fight more and more hierarchies. maybe the federated wiki is a way.

wikipedia is a role model.

ward : wikipedia is an example of things that are possible that didn't work 25 years before. whatever that thing is, however that thing is. it needs regard.

ryan : "Nod. A grand linked glossary / terminology network is an interesting need."

wayne : a programmer at disney.

jeff : too!

ryan presenting tom the NDN. working with it for 8 months. working on namespaces. million dollar question : how can you come up with this globally meaningful and globally recognized naming for data. the network protocol is something like a platform. the namespace is flat. how do you decide which filter to apply first and which last. colorado state university.

tom : one dimensional hierarchies. general idea : no meaning in the identifier. grid, dns to carry the information, like URI.

taxonomy for breast cancer. you get a problem which to take. using category theory instead of hierarchies.

ryan : asking for reading.

tom likes workshops. small groups, smart people. hard time at conferences. workshop in bay area with brian bellendorf (apache foundation) in februar to think with them. youtube video [ e-mail]

Andrew Lih - - @fuzheado


ward has done something with packages. a wiki about wikis : put that into your neighbourhood. screenshare.


you can search it and slowly build up a vocabulary. as long as you don't open the page about a site, it's not added to your active federation. it will be like a directory.

tom : include patterns per se into the discussion (about healthcare). where you have many factors interacting. you can not just say this one causes that. a pattern language is a way to search a finite state granular thing. what's missing and could be added to wikis, based on recent changes, you could also simulate it to the future. the wikipedia becomes an image of ongoing processes.

guardian angel pete szolovitz

ward : paul gorman

donaldr : wanted changes. create a page with the wanted artifact.

tom : very diachronic view. read about patterns in 88 before he met richard gabrial.

ward : wikipedia dump to import would be about 45gigs.

andrew : last wikimedia info : there's not many videos inside. how old is it, how many articles (4 mio)? there's not many.

ryan : it might be the publishing guidelines. that's why it's so successful. it's the medium. could this be a cultural thing?

andrew : short : open source standards are pretty obscure for video files. .ogg or .webm are not nice. the good news is that firefox 26/27 is going to have support for .webm which it didn't have before.

ryan : hack : three party video stream in a wiki. with .webm.


andrew : collaboration around video is probelmatic. and there's not much visual literacy out there how to make good video.

ryan : popcorn.js

andrew : israel startup had flash based collaborative video editing. but they dropped out of the scene. actual problems are rather the player now than editing.

ryan : the browser is the universal interface to have applications without the need to install them.

andrew : more focus on mobiles to lately. like free access to wikipedia via mobile plans to not charge the data. wysiwig apps are really stressing the browsers out.